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'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. The elders had publicly disciplined a woman for refusing . Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. Your email address will not be published. Eventually, all lawsuits were settled out of court with the County of Los Angeles and the State of California paying $400,000 each to Grace Community Church. If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. 1. Im sorry, but I didnt state that I had written to you in love, though I did try very hard to temper my comment to you. The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. Its only your perception and I would deny it. The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. I have nothing to be jealous of as regards Furtick. Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). LOS ANGELES PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR PUBLICLY REBUKES GAVIN NEWSOM FOR 'DIABOLICAL' POLICIES, INVOKING JESUS, Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! See what mine own hands have wrought. God is everywhereeven in the news. There are doubtless many things wrong with Chandler (hes a Baptist for a start!) Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. Its always good to get correction! He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. Im afraid that you are talking about something you do not really know about and picking on one particular church why? In your second post you again make the false claim that I set Dallas against Chandler. They do things right. Thats hypocrisy, and no, that doesnt constitute name calling. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. Can I suggest a little more humility? 3) There is no point 3) other than it is a demonstration of your setting up a straw man in the hope you will have something to argue against. Then there is the whole question of what the church is about. We even had the background high pitched sentimental organ music towards the end as he told the (with a tear in his eye) the sad story of his dad, especially when he turned up to hear his son preach for 24 hours to mark the publication of his latest book. And I wasnt using any of the debating society tricks of tu quoque and ad hominem in anything that I said. (Screenshot credit: Julie Roys/YouTube), Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. To be really honest, I find it very difficult to muster up any Christian love for you when you respond to people in this way, though I do recognise that this is something I need Gods help with and forgiveness for. Can I suggest an alternative standard? ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. You then go to the other extreme and say that I am lumping every mega church together. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. You were rightthat was not very mature. [39], For example, with respect to sexual orientation, he asserted that "no one is gay" as "God didn't hardwire anybody"[40] to be gay any more than he "hardwires" individuals to be adulterers or bank robbers. Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. It was interesting and revealing to hear about their work. Furtick though is unapologetic..he boasted in a sermon all the proceeds go to feed hungry children..mine!. I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. What if Joh MacArthur preached at Steven Furtick's church?Christian Music is Destroying Millions?great worship and sound doctrine.What's wrong with Elevation. MacArthur argues that confessing Jesus Christ as Lord is a necessary component of free grace theology. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. This photo posted to Twitter by Phil Johnson shows a full sanctuary at Grace Church on Sunday, July 26, 2020. Could you tell me the difference? My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. New International Version Furtick preaches a different gospel. But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. But in this instance let me assure you I am not mocking. - John MacArthur", "John F. MacArthur - The Master's Seminary", "MacArthur Appointed Baptist College Gets New President, Name", http://www.bing.com/search?q=When+was+the+MacArthur+New+Testament+Commentary+Series+completed%3F&go=%E3%82%AF%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AA%E9%80%81%E4%BF%A1&qs=bs&form=QBRE, "The Modern Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit", "Reexamining the Eternal Sonship of Christ", "The Loving Husband: A Portrait of Christ", "Can Women Exercise Authority in the Church? And this is my prayerful response (after sleeping on it!) Have mercy! I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. [41] MacArthur compared the assertion that sexual orientation is a born trait to a hypothetical bank robber's protestation, "I keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? Do they not see the danger of this? Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). Because your worth it! LOL! MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he. You can follow him on Twitter @timothynerozzi and can email him at timothy.nerozzi@fox.com, Get all the stories you need-to-know from the most powerful name in news delivered first thing every morning to your inbox. I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. 2) I challenge you to provide some evidence for that statement and question whether you were just against mega churches per se. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. [2] He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in Santa Clarita and The Master's Seminary. [12], MacArthur's daily radio and television program, Grace to You, now broadcast throughout much of the world, was created by the Grace media team to publicize audio cassettes of sermons; in 1977, it was first broadcast in Baltimore, Maryland. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. That would indeed be ridiculous, but it is not my position and it is therefore wrong of you to argue as though it were. ", "New Covenant Theology Compared With Covenantalism", "Why Every Calvinist Should Be a Premillennialist, Part 1", "Megapastor John MacArthur says 'no one is gay', compares homosexuality to adultery", "L.A. megachurch pastor mocks pandemic health orders, even as church members fall ill", "Fact Check-CDC comorbidity figures presented in sermon do not undermine deadliness of COVID-19", "L.A. County could pay $400,000 settlement to church that fought COVID-19 mandates", "John MacArthur and Grace Community Church win $800,000 settlement from California and L.A. County", https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2023/february/grace-community-church-elder-biblical-counseling-abuse.html, "Questions and Answers -- Patricia MacArthur", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_MacArthur_(American_pastor)&oldid=1142238580, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 07:45. 4, 3-4). Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. Really? I've carried one of these of an NAS with the New Testament, Psalms, and Proverbs with me for years and years, so that's why I wanted this to be the first one. You then accused me of muddying the waters by dropping in a bit of juicy gossip. You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? IMHO he totally manipulated the emotions of his audience and used the scriptures in an inappropriate way. Why do you think I should apologise for my Amazon remarks (which were simply that I could only find it on my Amazon feed at 30)? It just looks weird. The Church of England's compromise on same-sex relationships is disastrous for everyone. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. Its not the first time that youve responded aggressively when a pastor that you hold in such high regard is questioned. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. And lets talk about finance. I hope this is mature and open enough for you! I think youve just answered your own question; how very sad. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. Truth in love is the biblical standardI didnt claim that you had claimed suchI just assumed that that was what you are doing. It all depends how you measure success! Im sure you realise that that also would doubtless apply to people from The Village and even Furticks church. My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. Paul Guay was a pastor at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) who had been molesting his daughter, Wendy since at least 1979. [13] In 1985, MacArthur was made President of Los Angeles Baptist College, now The Master's University, a four-year Christian liberal-arts college. But if the theology and ecclesiology is off, then alarm bells start ringing. Theres clearly no transparency or accountability at Elevation Church! Im afraid I have had more than enough of this kind of depressing legalism and self-righteousness pride(and before you jump in yes I admit I can all too easily be the same).. At the risk of over-blogging (I dont want to be a bore), have you seen this just the introduction. If he has lots of money good for him, if he has a nice home- good for him. You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. Its not the unadulterated Word of God for our generation. I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. The reality is that you have a bunch of people who want pastors to be poor while they make fortunes off of fake news. Why is that disgraceful and totally unwarranted? He is a ministry collaborator with TDJakes health and wealth and modalist ministry, he collaborates with Joel Osteens humanistic ministry and with Brian Hustons new wave prophecy ministry. Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? But we must not quote our own books in sermons as far as possible! We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. I would ask you to withdraw your remarks about legalism.posting serious allegations.refusing to substantiate them if you are in any way suggesting that I am such a person. He teaches a completely restored Israel shall inherit physical ownership of the land of Canaan on the earth. Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? That is grotesque manipulation and a parody of the Gospel. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. But to me that is clear what it is. Oh and sorry about the ironic and sarky remark about being mature enough for you! There is no legalism or self-righteous pride in anything I said. There is nothing that makes me believe in God and the Gospel more than the church in all its beauty, and there is nothing makes me doubt more than the church in all its ugliness. The point you made about Matt Chandler was that he does not live as a Christian (how can you know that? Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. Thanks for this. He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. Are you happy with its $130 million campus rebuilding campaign? They drift from church to church. One expression of faith creates refugees; the other resettles them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. 2) You actually did explictly state that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be preached or lived. I hope this mature and open enough for you! . Terribly, the younger folks dont appear to have the foundation in the word to smell it out. As for his preaching, we will disagree. John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. Please do not excuse sin and blasphemy. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. rm. The trouble is that these churches are so massive and wealthy that they can afford to send their pastors all over the world, exporting their dodgy theology and even dodgier ecclesiology. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. Didnt indicate that year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor services... He cites the biblical passage of 1 timothy 2:11-12 the money megachurches was that its not the time! 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