radiolab inheritance transcript

PAT: She actually emailed me afterwards and adjusted that number down a couple hundred. So we did stop. SAM KEAN: It does, it does make kind of a folk sense. He'd fall asleep and just wake up screaming. And then, Michael just launched into this thing. I just saw them as child abusers. Just don't have any more children because, at that point, I didn't really know any of them. CARL ZIMMER: Lamarckism pretty much died there. This week The Science Show introduces Radiolab from WNYC in New York City. I want to start with a parental day dream for a second. I tell you what I'm going to do though. We neuter them.". How do these simple little traits get passed forward? The fact that you're motivated by a really beautiful, important value, that we want healthy kids, doesn't mean the mechanism you're using is going to end up helping those kids. Or is it? JAD: I dont know. I mean, he hates water. I wouldn't want to put it up to chance, because what kind of life is that? KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Jans Olaf, Hanna Kaiser, Heinrik Venvei. That was amazing. It's against the rules. JAD: Or very many of them right at all, but, you know, his basic idea seems to be true. My home village was 10 miles North of polar circle. This is what's called the slow growth period. That's how I've always looked at it. ROBERT: And this idea won him a lot of fans, including, not surprisingly, the Soviets. LYNN PALTROW: The fact that you're motivated by a really beautiful, important value, that we want healthy kids, doesn't mean the mechanism you're using is going to end up helping those kids. JAD: Still, that's a burden that, he's carrying a big burden there. Were just talking about toad, I thought. You can't see that on the radio but, hey, it's a fact of life. ROBERT: Instead of dying at 40, I'd live to 70? Which, when you think about it, it has a very Lamarckian flavor. I just got custody of my eight-year-old son. Okay, well of them, don't really know what happened to her. And very often, one of them will just go crashing into the DNA and it'll stick there like a barnacle or a glob of peanut butter. Because here's the thing, the churches up in verkalix kept incredibly detailed records. JAD: Michael was in school and he got interested in a very, very basic question about how things get passed down? They willed the neck to get longer, the muscles to get bigger. Oh my goodness. So he actually went to Vienna. like they could be whistling six tables over in a restaurant and he would turn around and be like, "Stop that," it was like it was scraping his very nerves. These are women who love their children, who sought help. JAD: They suddenly had to get by on a tiny fraction of the food that they were used to. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: These people are paying millions of dollars to take care of your children!]. I mean like, with the licking, is it a teaching thing where, you know, the babies become good mothers because FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: They've seen it and they've repeated the experience. JAD: No, not brain cells. I decided to have a press conference in my front yard to announce what I was doing. Basically, the midwife toad has a strange habit for toads. This is from 2002. ROBERT: So then the one that's in trouble, so thats one of one of eight? ROBERT: So what is the licking doing then? More of this particular protein. In any case, these books tell you when each of these folks died, how they died. ROBERT: And then the next one after that. ROBERT: Thats what Darwin says, you cant. I just didn't think. Looking for patterns in cardiovascular diseases, high blood pressure, and such. You got to kick it back. It's only the mechanisms are not so clear. DESTINY HARRIS: Taylor Swift's Never Getting Back Together. JAD: It makes a kind of common sense, really. But a year later, the social worker called again. MICHAEL MEANEY: Yeah, it drifts into something like a shopping channel. He said, "If you were a boy, and you starve between the ages of 9 and 12, and then you went on to become a father, then a grandfather, your grandkids". At once and we're watching 40 litters at a time. But this stuff you're telling me about Sweden feels very grim in a certain way. BARBARA HARRIS: It was just no baby should have to come into the world like that. Barbara tried to get a law passed requiring just that. LYNN PALTROW: I think I was really horrified and terrified. Who are they? He said, "If you were a boy, and you starve between the ages of 9 and 12, and then you went on to become a father, then a grandfather, your grandkids". [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Barbara Harris says she's convinced more than a dozen women], [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Have accepted her offer to be sterilized in return for money.]. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, Daytime Talkshow: I'd like everybody to meet, please, Barbara Harris. So heres the backstory. PAT: Barbara tried to get a law passed requiring just that. I had a little basketball for her. View Radiolab_-_Inheritance_Questions.docx from BISC MISC at University of Mississippi. Because it would reflect badly on the Soviet state. Started with the tongue. Its gonna get messy. Isaiah's in college and Taylor and Brandon, I met them at Barbara's house and they seemed to be fine. ROBERT: That's interesting. We had an expression here, "Dig where you stand." MICHAEL MEANEY: Yes. I said, "No, no, that's okay." ROBERT: I think that makes a lot of sense. Were told. I didn't see them as people. Cause we were talking to science writer, Carl Zimmer, and he told us that back in the early 1900s, this tension between Lamarck and Darwin got extra tense. So much can happen after that. But according to Kammerer, here's what happened when he heated up the toads little cage. You're not leaving this hospital unless you have long-term birth control.". That's what good rat mothers do, they lick their babies a lot. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: There's a normal distribution, right? JAD: Everybody we talked to seems to think there's something really interesting going on here. Just a little. JAD: So now, the genes can make the proteins that make the rats a good mom? PEJK MALINOVSKI: This is the verkalix church parish record. SAM KEAN: And, you know, there was kind of antisemitism growing at this time, so he thought that someone had framed him, and six weeks after Nobel published his results in Nature, Kammerer sent a letter to Moscow. He's 22, 23, and he already had this reputation for being amazing at keeping animals alive, that otherwise would just die. As to diabetes, it was a four-fold risk. Females seem to hate laying eggs in the water, but is that the end of the story? She's 22 now and she's never even met her birth mom. Inheritance, what you can move on to the next generation and what you can't. That tongue is doing something to the DNA. OLOV BYGREN: Something happens on the molecular level. How much of you will echo into the future and how much of you won't? So that's fun. PAT: Nobody's arguing that women should do drugs when they're pregnant. Listen to the first three stories of the "Inheritance" Radiolab Podcast (Control + click on link to access podcast. CARL ZIMMER: You're now hearing Lamarck's name invoked these days because there are things beyond genes that we pass down to our children. Catch up with new episodes and hear classics from our archive. And so, they just had to hold on for the entire winter. She got one. Barbara Harris says she's convinced more than a dozen women], Have accepted her offer to be sterilized in return for money.]. Because you begin with a mother's lick that ends up with a deep, deep change in the baby, not just the good, warm, fuzzy feeling, but a fundamental shift in who that baby is, and who that baby will be. _. Radiolab is on YouTube! I dont know. JAD: Or did I somehow learn that? JAD: It's writer, Sam Kean again, and here's, he says, what you need to know about the midwife toad. Where we sought, they will find. Well, so here's the thing. Harris says her program, children requiring a caring community, or CRACK], Can prevent thousands of unwanted births to drug-addicted women. Which I find kind of hard to believe but, then again, I must have read at least 100 news articles as I was reporting this story. I just didn't think. My situation turned out positive. ROBERT: I think what's weird here is that is that we started trying to make a difference in our children and now we're surprise attacked by our grandparents. Frankly, this makes being 9, 10, 11, 12 like a rather crucial. It was something they acquired during their lifetime. And at first, it didn't go so well because, you know, if you're a land toad and you're trying to have sex in the water, it's kind of hard. Not usually because it upsets people and I'm Canadian. But she says, you can tell right away, just by looking, that some rat moms don't lick their kids a lot. BARBARA HARRIS: This is 750 and this is 200. Completely answer all questions in Section I AND Section IV. PAT: She just knew, "This is my daughter.". ROBERT: I wonder. Then she goes, "Oh wait, I didn't give birth to you. CHARLOTTE ZIMMER: Radiolab is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and CHARLOTTE and VERONICA ZIMMER: The Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. Or very many of them right at all, but, you know, his basic idea seems to be true. Well, that's the good news, but unfortunately there is some bad news here. Kammerer puts on a suit and he walks off into the mountains Outside Vienna on a Rocky mountain trail. That you're just renaming it. Anyways, God bless you. Full disclosure, she's Robert's sister's partner. This is spooky because it's like JAD: It means what if grandpa has a bad day? PEJK MALINOVSKI: He was an idiot. But I'm going to give them a basin of water. As a parent, you are a tiny blip in a very, very, long story. That is a bad way to start a kid's life but that's just the beginning of the kid's life. JAD: He works at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden where he studies population data. Inheritance | Radiolab Podcast 4,710 views Apr 8, 2022 Radiolab 43.8K subscribers From the Radiolab podcast: How your grandfather's diet can affect your lifespan, heart health and even. SAM KEAN: He was known for going around and giving, what he called, his big show lectures, where he would wow whole audiences of people. That, in a sort of ass backward way was Michael's question. Yeah. I mean, for one thing, Barbara's white and Destiny's black. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of someone halfway across the world. Because the truth is, you have no idea how these kids are going to turn out. ROBERT: You cant say that. Yeah. One parent stretching isnt going to do anything, see thats the bummer of Darwinian evolution. JAD: His big idea, as you might know, is that what a person does in their lifetime could be directly passed to their kids. So we're going to leave you with a story from our producer, Pat Walters, about one woman's radical A few months ago, Pat made his way down in North Carolina, to a small suburb outside of Charlotte to visit this family. A little village? FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: I think that's where Lamarck's ideas can be woven in and make some sense. And I've got say, I'm feeling pretty good about this show so far. The results make it probable that our descendants will learn more quickly what we know well, will execute more easily what we have accomplished with great effort, will be able to withstand what injured us almost to the point of death. Peanut butter, there we go. Well, I guess I was thinking we could just start at the beginning. More what kind of stuff? DESTINY HARRIS: Not been born at all. PAT: And she says, one day, this idea just came to her. ROBERT: [laughs] We now know that thats not the case. Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. Just sing. LATIF: This is Radiolab. That's what I remember her saying. But I take it that we have more control over our destinies and our kids' destinies than we would've thought. And Destiny was in the other room, sleeping or something, I'm not sure. MICHAEL MEANEY: So the great rat nightmare comes true where the females become their mothers. [laughs[ Exactly. Okay. JAD: People can't just will themselves into a more perfect form. It all came down to this jar with his toad in it. SAM KEAN: Because it would reflect badly on the Soviet state. ROBERT: But luckily for the Vivarium and for our story, they had a guy. OLOV BYGREN: The results are quite obvious. And in1923, he actually comes to England. Yeah. CARL ZIMMER: At this really marvelous place called the Vivarium. I'm Executive Director and Founder of National Advocates for Pregnant Women. PAT: And even though they look basically nothing alike. And The other day someone was whistling and I was like, "Stop it", and it just hit me, I was like, "Oh God, I was him", it's never appeared until now. Twitter: @wnycradiolab Language: English Contact: WNYC Radio 160 Varick St. New York, NY 10013 (646) 829-4000 Website: http://www.wnyc.org/shows/radiolab/ Email: radiolab@wnyc.org Episodes Golden Goose 2/17/2023 More Radiolab is on YouTube! Stretching got into the baby. What do I know? She said, "Thank you so much for the gift, I bought my son an excavator truck, remote control and some summer outfits." And um Doctors would later explain to Barbara that Destiny's mom had been addicted to drugs while she was pregnant. SAM KEAN: I should add too. ], I'd like everybody to meet, please, Barbara Harris. Its something I still think about all the time. We ask deep questions and use investigative journalism to get the answers. PAT: All these women who have so many babies and never try to seek drug treatment. BARBARA HARRIS: I already knew that if I ever got a little girl, I was going to name her Destiny. Is it a big town? Because we had already had to upgrade from a car to a van, from a condo to a home. PAT: Isaiah would sleep and he would scream. [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: She's offering $200. The results are there. So he's got to live his life as a toad with all this baggage on him? She's 22 now and she's never even met her birth mom. I'm in public health. PAT: Could you just tell us what you are doing now? The kingdom archive. I don't like to upset people. SAM KEAN: And at a time when you're not making the best decisions anyway. A couple of days later, I had already bonded with her so much, it was as if I gave birth to her. I mean, when you think of Kammerer, there was a report in science outlining a theory about how Kammerer's toads got these characteristics that invoked these epigenetic inheritance and imprinted genes and it made it plausible. After I've gotten to know so many of the women. She's not offering treatment, she's not offering counseling, and there are programs that do that. Assuming that you can survive the ordeal, and you grow up, and you have kids of your own, the data seems to say that your kids will benefit from your suffering. Because the Soviets, they believe in Karl Marx's idea that human beings were an improvable species, that if you can change the conditions around people, you change the people. This was a really radical place at the time because you have to remember that people studying animals up till now, they were basically studying preserved specimens, and so on. I mean that's a different kind of odds, but its Our staff includes Alan Horn, Soren Wheeler, Pat Walters With help from Matt Kielty, Chris [unintelligible 01:04:17], Special thanks to Martin [unintelligible 01:04:21], Copyright 2022 New York Public Radio. Nobody's arguing that women should do drugs when they're pregnant. They didn't have grains. By Recode Staff Updated Oct 25, 2017, 12:01am. JAD: Started with the tongue. Instead of dying at 40, I'd live to 70? JAD: You can imagine these toads are like, "Dammit, fine. I got these genes from somewhere, but I kind of feel like she was a surrogate, like she carried me for my real mom. BARBARA HARRIS: "She's born and tested positive for PCP crack and heroin." Although, you know, sometimes that your grandfather's suffering helps you. He thought it worked with humans, too. And even though they look basically nothing alike. JAD: And I know fate is gonna give them a couple random mutations in those genes. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations. And I packed up my stuff, it's pretty much done. So for Isaiah, being born was like just being cut off. Well, he thought it might have been an assistant trying to frame him because he was Jewish. We actually sent our friend, Pejk Malinovski, to the archives in Stockholm to check it out. You feel kind of hemmed in by what your grandfather did? We went to the foster home and went in. What happens, it'll get stuck to one little part of the DNA and now that little bit of DNA And these things are called, apparently, methyl groups. A lot of times that's not the case. In this episode, originally aired in 2012,we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations. More information about Sloan at. So much can happen after that. SAM KEAN: This was a really, really big effect. These were kids that didn't end up with Barbara? And when it came time to mate, the males and the females, they would mate in the water. Isaiah would sleep and he would scream. In my naive mind, I didn't have a clue what a big deal this was. Accuracy and availability may vary. I have to be creative.". "She's born and tested positive for PCP crack and heroin." We talked to her for a little while and PAT: At a certain point the social worker pulls out a stack of papers. And he says, "This isn't a nuptial pad, it looks darkened but that's just ink.". She's 20 months old. And then they're going to basically revel at that particular spot and turn on that gene. Baby, be careful. JAD: I initially felt very hopeful and excited about this research because it seems to suggest that a body, one body can respond to an environment and change and be flexible in a way we didn't think was possible. [ARCHIVAL Clip, Panel: You don't think that they should have their children back?]. You must have internet access to do this). That's against the rules. SAM KEAN: Really slowly, gradually, achingly slowly. [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Barbara Harris's solution is simpler than anything else out there. In a very real way, weve been thinking a lot about inheritance. What does it look like? Suddenly you're marked. What exactly happens between 9 to 12 that makes this big difference? I make a difference to her. And she's a complete nut. Move on to the next cage, yes, no? LULU: In a very real way, we've been thinking a lot about inheritance. We inherited this beloved show that we first fell in love with as listeners. JAD: So imagine the DNA in that brain cell. I wouldn't want to put it up to chance, because what kind of life is that? Here's what Olov says he found in the data. SAM KEAN: If you have a starving daddy, it turns out that the baby actually gets some sort of health benefit. Telling some genes to turn off now, other genes to turn on. I mean, he hates water. You're finishing college, right? Look, in the end, what do I know? ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: Probably racist.]. ROBERT: And that advantage, whatever it was, because it starts with one individual, and then it gets passed onto the kids, and then onto their kids, it would take a long, long, long time to spread through the whole population because, generally, that's how evolution works. It's against the rules. JAD: And then, Michael just launched into this thing. He's the guy who told us about Olov's work. JAD: But according to Kammerer, here's what happened when he heated up the toads little cage. And then they're going to basically revel at that particular spot and turn on that gene. JAD: In just two generations, these toads seem to have done something that should have taken, I don't know, 50, 100 generations? As he's doing his rounds, he stops by the midwife toad terrarium, he looks down at that little male toad with grapes stuck to his legs and he wonders, "How adaptable is that little guy?" That's how we ended up with four of them. Methylations, phosphorylation, and so on. But, I said this to Lynn, "Despite all the things that trouble me about Barbara's program, I feel like what she's trying to do is to stop a kid from getting born into a childhood that's going to suck.". You are not God. I went to the hospital and picked him up. The lady knew why we were there. PAT: Destiny says before she was born, her mom had four other girls. next launcher 3d shell pro apk 2019; bad products that sold well; big and tall clothing stores near warsaw; hp chromebook solid orange light; what makes a good family lawyer PAT: So Barbara and her son got in the car and drove across town to the foster home where Destiny had been living for the past eight months. ROBERT: So, of course the folks at the Vivarium asked him. The critical part of this Is that all these changes wake up this little gang of proteins. They willed the neck to get longer, the muscles to get bigger. This lady right here is still taking drugs and she could be pregnant again next month.]. Yes, but creating an assumption that there is a class of people who don't deserve to procreate, who aren't worthy of procreating the human race, leads you down a path that we should have great concern about. JAD: That's against the rules. PEJK MALINOVSKI: It's not very politically correct, huh? Okay, and then I just had to accept it. Stick around. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Yes, yes. PAT: But she says she doesn't feel that way anymore. IMDb is the world's most popular and authoritative source for movie, TV and celebrity content. According to Frances, it's not just sitting up there perfectly preserved, it's in the middle of the cell, it's crowded. The reason they're more aroused is that the mom's licking activates the release of adrenaline and noradrenaline in the pup. Because while you might have a lot of influence, you know, genetically speaking, over your kids and their kids, you don't seem to have a lot of control. But it failed. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, Panel: Sterilized? PEJK MALINOVSKI: Okay, I'm here. Have you ever had someone call or write you and say that they regret their decision? BARBARA HARRIS: I'm not saying that these women are dogs but they're not acting any more responsible than a dog in heat. That kind of 30 years? ROBERT: Because it's got the thing stuck to it? Researchers have found evidence of structural. MICHAEL MEANEY: I think the Swedish data are really, really strong, and very reliable. And so, you could only see one nuptial pad, and it all comes down to thisand all of that was just about to fall apart. SAM KEAN: No, they did not have them on land. JAD: Or does it get passed on such a deep level that doesn't even require teaching? ], Like you said, when you were in your addiction like she is], I didn't say I'm God. PAT: And I just felt like it was in one of those moments that contains everything that's good about us as people. Move on to the next cage, yes, no? Since birth. LATIF: Still, still standing. This is nice and quiet. 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